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Title: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 06, 2007, 08:35:51 PM
...and Earl Van Dyke Sextet. Bumped across this clip on youtube and thought it was fun.
Enjoy.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ufwxXvNy5DE
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on October 06, 2007, 10:37:49 PM
Great video.  I love youtube.  You can search old videos.  Not to get off the subject but I found the video for "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" by the Shirelles.  Love that song and enjoyed watchin' that.  I think Shirley Alston Reeves is awesome.  But yea instead of makin' a new thread I'll just post this motown clip here.  Four Tops vs. The Temptations.  Love the Four Tops...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN-5jGTWCm4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN-5jGTWCm4)

Steve
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: BULL on October 07, 2007, 06:28:31 AM
HI,
I love it......but I couldn't find old videos in which I can see all the musicians oder some famous bassplayers......really mad I think...
greets
BULL
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on October 07, 2007, 01:00:04 PM
not tryin' to hijack the thread, just thought I'd post another youtube video.  This guy "Jamersonshook" is pretty good.  Check out his Jamerson lines....

http://www.youtube.com/user/jamersonshook (http://www.youtube.com/user/jamersonshook)

Steve
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 07, 2007, 02:37:21 PM
not tryin' to hijack the thread, just thought I'd post another youtube video.  This guy "Jamersonshook" is pretty good.  Check out his Jamerson lines....

Yea I've corresponded with that guy. I met him thru Talkbass.com. He does a great job, IMO.
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 07, 2007, 02:39:37 PM
Here he's take on 'My Girl'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJHU5h5Wx1I
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 07, 2007, 02:43:02 PM
One more. This is one of my favorite Motown tunes and such a great bassline. Not sure if this was Babbitt or Jamerson's work but whichever one its perfect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk49Yv2oKvE
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on October 07, 2007, 03:15:57 PM
Yea, he's good.  He's got "The Hook" down.  No way I could do that with 1 finger.  Not even 2 or 3 in that case  :D

Steve
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on October 09, 2007, 11:30:10 AM
how does he get it to sound so clean?  It is a fretted bass right?  Does it have anything to do with flatwound strings?  I have a fretless jazz copy with flatwounds and when I play it, it sounds good (no fret buzz).  Before, the neck was fretted and I could hear the buzzing sound.  Maybe it was just my playing (beginner) or maybe the neck/bridge needed adjusting.  I replaced with a fretless neck and it's just feels nicer to me.  I  had roundwound strings when I had the fretted neck.  Just wonderin' cause this guys lines just sound amazing to me.

Steve
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 09, 2007, 01:27:07 PM
I did correspond with him and asked him but I'll be damaned if I can remember what he's using. I can check when I get home.
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on October 09, 2007, 01:31:45 PM
I seen a reply on one of his videos and he has the Jamerson setup.  Said high action and labella flatwound strings.  And he uses a pencil eraser cut in 2 under the bridge cover.  My issue with the fretted neck I had was when I pressed down, no buzz, its when I would lift off I would get the buzz.

Steve
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 09, 2007, 04:54:20 PM
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My issue with the fretted neck I had was when I pressed down, no buzz, its when I would lift off I would get the buzz.

Sounds like you might need to play around with the truss rod.
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on October 09, 2007, 05:13:03 PM
Yea, I'm sure it was somethin' to do with the bridge and truss rod.  My MIM standard P-BASS (sold it) I didn't really have that problem.  Did a little though.  I'm gonna give it another try as I have a bass I'm puttin together right now.  I've got the alder body (3 tone sunburst), MIM fender neck, tortoise pickguard, chrome bridge/pickup covers, flatwound strings, and thumb rest.  I have $150 in this.  My friend bought my fender p-bass from me for 450. I paid 459 online and its new, as I only had it 3 weeks.  So, all I need is pickups, pots, and jack then I'll be ready to go.  Since I have no clue how to wire things I might just pay retail and go ahead and let the store set it up for me too truss rod/bridge adjustments. My main reason for sellin' the MIM bass was to try and pocket a little money and have a 62 lookalike.  So hopefully I wont have to add too much more to the $150

Steve
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: jshook on October 09, 2007, 06:44:35 PM
Hey there - Pedro pointed me over here, hope I can help with any q's.

My bass is a 62 reissue "Crafted in Japan" bass, with EMG active pickups, Labella Deep Talkin Bass strings, a high action, a strip of pencil eraser wedged under the bridge cover close to the saddles, recorded straight into my PC using a cheap cable, no EQ or FX. To get the attack (almost pick-like) on the bass that some Motown mixes have, a limiter helps if it's just clipping the peaks - I'll dust off my rack limiter sometime and see if I can post an example on youtube. The EMG's have more low end than stock Fenders, and this would need EQ'ing out to get me closer to the holy grail of Motown's mixes.

I hope to put more of Bob's lines up there at some point - I've been listening to and loving the bass on Midnight Train to Georgia since I was a little kid, so I hope Bob doesn't mind if I have a go!

Bob's playing is just awesome - I hope to see him recognised and credited properly, just like JJ - I'd LOVE to have a full discography of his work and still find it difficult to believe that no-one has documented all those wonderful sessions properly yet.

Best wishes to all - this is a great place for bass!



Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 09, 2007, 08:23:43 PM
Active pickups? I'm really surprised. Anyhoo, I'd be curious jshook about any tips you might have for replicating that sound live. And thanks again for the clips. Its a lot easier to appreciate just how great Jamerson and Babbitts bass work is when you can hear it straight out like that.

My $.02.
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on October 09, 2007, 09:16:09 PM
yea, I just went back to his (jshooks) youtube site.  Love the video of "It's the same old song"  That's probably one of my favs.  Hopefully soon I'll be able to get that line down.  But curious...how do you play through your computer?  I'll have to go back and recheck incase I over looked, but are you hookin' your bass straight to the computer?  I have a roland td3 drum kit and I seen where people say they run it through there camera when doin' videos.  I still dont understand how this works.  But yea, your sound is amazing. 

Steve
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 10, 2007, 11:52:03 AM
There is a way to record direct into the computer but I've never tried it. I'm pretty hopeless when it comes to technical issues.
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: dc007 on October 10, 2007, 08:28:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KC7uhMY9s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KC7uhMY9s)

You can see Jamerson briefly in this live rendition of What's goin on.
Also Eddie Bongo Brown and a brief shot of Earl Van Dyke

Also check Bob and a protegee out in this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lCme7K6gpY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lCme7K6gpY)
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: jshook on October 11, 2007, 04:29:58 PM
Hi there - a couple of answers:

 - Live setup - I use a Roland DB700 on stage, but a clean DI is all you need to feed the PA
 - To record into PC using a cable - plug into the PC's "Line In" socket with anything that converts the socket to your 1/4" socket on your bass (usually a lead or lead and adaptors that has 3.5mm stereo plug on one end and 1/4" mono plug on the other). Then make sure whatever software you're using to record is set to record from your Line In (i.e my Quickcam software lets you change the settings so that it records from the input instead of the buit-in microphone)

Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 11, 2007, 06:45:22 PM
jshook  interesting to me that you left the ashtray on the p bass. I always found it got in the way. Looks great but its almost exactly where I play.
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on October 12, 2007, 09:16:12 AM
Still confusin' on hookin' up to the computer....but I don't see me makin' any youtube videos anytime soon anyways  :D

I have the chrome covers on my J Bass copy and I like them.  Right now i just play with 1 finger cause I haven't learned anything real fast.  I like to keep my other fingers rested on the cover.  This actually feels better to me.

Steve
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pedro on October 12, 2007, 02:03:19 PM
Well to each their own right Steve?
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: pat coyne on October 12, 2007, 10:04:15 PM
Steve...you can get some tips on setting up your bass on the fender website....hunt around a little,  i found it and copied it off and use it everytime i go thru mine,  gives you all the specs and tips for truss rod adustment...i even got a wiring diagram for my jazz bass off of it.
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on October 15, 2007, 10:48:39 PM
Thanks for the info Pat.  Now gettin' back to the videos!  I just found this classic performance by the Four Tops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX-1IJRHQEw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX-1IJRHQEw)

Man, I should have been alive in the 60s! :D

Steve

Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: dc007 on October 16, 2007, 04:58:22 PM
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Man, I should have been alive in the 60s!

Yes it was an interesting time.
Title: Florence Ballard in Video
Post by: smroque on January 28, 2008, 10:44:28 AM
As a non musician, one of the things that struck me in that Sound of Motown video you shared with us is how much Florence Ballard looks like Rosie Perez in the movie "White Men Can't Jump" :)

Sylvia
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: BeatleSongPlayer on February 03, 2008, 06:46:16 AM
Hey Bob, this is Jimmy from Va Beach, Va. Jan Haflin gave me your number and I called you a couple of years ago. Any way we talked about you meeting Sir Paul. I didn't know you played on Stevie Wonders' "We can work it out" cover. Paul always sites that as his all time favorite Beatles cover song. I wonder if he knew you played bass on the track when you met him. That would have flipped him out LOL!! Later, Jimmy aka BSP
Title: Re: How about a Motown jam - Stevie Wonder, Supremes and Smokey Robinson and
Post by: SRT80 on March 11, 2008, 12:59:57 PM
Hi there - a couple of answers:

 - Live setup - I use a Roland DB700 on stage, but a clean DI is all you need to feed the PA
 - To record into PC using a cable - plug into the PC's "Line In" socket with anything that converts the socket to your 1/4" socket on your bass (usually a lead or lead and adaptors that has 3.5mm stereo plug on one end and 1/4" mono plug on the other). Then make sure whatever software you're using to record is set to record from your Line In (i.e my Quickcam software lets you change the settings so that it records from the input instead of the buit-in microphone)



still not understanding this.  I'm not too concerned with video, but wouldn't mind puttin' just sound clips up.  I'll have to do a little more research.  These cables that you use to hook your bass to the computer, you hook to the jack then to the computer to where your bass is hooked to the computer?  Sorry for the questions.  Anyone know of a easier way to record sound clips?

Steve